[Vibor]

jaded_blue, on Dec 4 2007, 07:51 AM, said:

Actually I am totally for people having to get certain licenses to procreate. Everyone should be allowed to fuck.. but to actually create and care for another human life.. yeah they should have to get licenses. That would cut down on welfare and retarded children.

Blue

Oh man...if only they had that in Queensland.... *shudders at the thought of going out before christmas*

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Vibor, on Dec 4 2007, 12:26 PM, said:

Oh man...if only they had that in Queensland.... *shudders at the thought of going out before christmas*

Dude atleast you don;t work in a shopping center restraunt ? scary times. Heyu more retards to destroy, people who complain way too much

[Administrator]

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An interesting idea...but fundamentally flawed.... I think the opposite approach would be better. Rather than require government approval to have kids, identify people who shouldn't have kids and have social services intervene when they do have kids. For example, fifteen year old girl is sleeping around, doesn't use the pill or protection, gets pregnant. Right off we have someone who isn't responsible or mature enough to raise a kid, cant afford to take care of a the kid, and will be adversely affected by having to miss school, get a low paying job, etc etc. Same goes for the jock who is doing half the cheerleading team, there is no way this guy is mature enough to take care of a kid, and being a dad is certainly gonna squash his college plans when he has to get a McJob to pay for his child. Or people who are living below the poverty line, and are cranking out kids like a xerox machine, causing a drain on society. In cases like that, if only for the child's sake, they should be placed in a different home that is *capable* of providing for them.

As for the bit about...um....disabled kids...you'd have to go further than personal maturity and stability for that, and start sequencing everyone's genomes, then running simulations to determine the most likely problems your kid would have. Question is, when do you go from warning parents their children *may* be disabled, to using this information for everything from insurance to job applications. If you want a nice look at one possible outcome, go watch the movie GATACA, which covers this very topic. This isn't a good line of thinking really...just imagine if Helen Keller's parents had been banned from procreating o.O.
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[borg]
Nanotech based cybernetics is the only way to insure human perfection. No ammount of silly genetic breeding will ever yield success!!!!!
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[enigmawing]

Isn't the possession of our imperfections part of what makes us human?

[enigmawing]

Siggy™™, on Dec 4 2007, 07:41 PM, said:

For example, fifteen year old girl is sleeping around, doesn't use the pill or protection, gets pregnant. Right off we have someone who isn't responsible or mature enough to raise a kid, cant afford to take care of a the kid, and will be adversely affected by having to miss school, get a low paying job, etc etc.

And what about the guy that got her pregnant, no responsibility on his end, eh?

And who is to say that someone that supposedly screwed up at the age of fifteen will be a fuck-up for the rest of their life? Besides, while children are a product of their enviournment to an extent, they often rise to greatness in the face of adversity.

I don't think we have the right here to play god and dictate who should and shouldn't have children. So many people that probably shouldn't have been parents ended up having children that have changed the world for the better.

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You know who had children that probably shouldnt have?
Hitler's Parents!!

[enigmawing]

Siggy™™, on Dec 4 2007, 08:16 PM, said:

You know who had children that probably shouldnt have?
Hitler's Parents!!

And to think he wanted to be an artist. . .

[Vibor]

So Siggy™™™, you're more of a fan of Post-Crime rather then Pre-Crime?

Why should it get to the point where the drug addicted/under-age/etc.. people even have to go through the trauma of having their children taken away from them? rather then just not having children at all?



It's our differences that make us human, it's our similarities that make us evil

[Administrator]

Do you really think a license system is going to stop people from procreating? hell no, it just means extra fines and sanctions against someone who probably cant pay the fine anyways, and the kid still gets taken away. how about we skip the other bs and just save the kid?

@e: Im not saying this person will be a screwup or w/e for ever, but do you have a way of stopping pregancy half way through, waiting 10 years, and starting it up again?

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Vibor, on Dec 5 2007, 03:27 PM, said:

So Siggy™™™™, you're more of a fan of Post-Crime rather then Pre-Crime?

Why should it get to the point where the drug addicted/under-age/etc.. people even have to go through the trauma of having their children taken away from them? rather then just not having children at all?
It's our differences that make us human, it's our similarities that make us evil

I know that all too well my older twin brother.

one of us! one of us!!!

[Vibor]

Siggy™™, on Dec 5 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

Do you really think a license system is going to stop people from procreating? hell no, it just means extra fines and sanctions against someone who probably cant pay the fine anyways, and the kid still gets taken away. how about we skip the other bs and just save the kid?

This is true, but while we're being crazy saying who can and can't breed and who is and isn't acceptable as a human, why is it so unbelievable that it would just be a law...and not an implant that stops breeding


PRE CRIME PRE CRIME PRE CRIME!!!



they adhere to post crime in Adelaide... I've watched gangs throw beer bottles at each other over the heads of the police walking past...they probably wouldn't step in until AFTER someone was killed.

[Administrator]

except procreation isnt a crime, its a birth right of nearly every living multicell creature on the planet

[idic]

Siggy™™, on Dec 4 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

You know who had children that probably shouldnt have?
Hitler's Parents!!

And if Hitler hadn't been born what would the world be like?

idic

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idic, on Dec 6 2007, 12:13 AM, said:

And if Hitler hadn't been born what would the world be like?

idic

fairly boring to say the least. we'd all be stuck in 30's clothing and still have a "noble" aristocracy.

[Vibor]

Siggy™™™, on Dec 5 2007, 04:00 PM, said:

except procreation isnt a crime, its a birth right of nearly every living multicell creature on the planet

Yeah whatever...you've never been to Queensland...it should be a crime.


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